Mr. Liebeler. Do you remember who told you that?
Mrs. Ford. I believe it was Lydia Dymitruk.
Mr. Liebeler. D-y-m-i-t-r-u-k.
Do you remember anything about that particular conversation?
Mrs. Ford. Well, she was telling me, she took, when the baby left my house, she had a cold, and it was getting worse, and I believe soon after she left Anna Ray, the baby began to have a fever, and Lydia, I believe, I don't know how she got to go to her apartment, really, I don't know the reason she went there; she went there and wanted to take the baby to the doctor and she told me of an incident that says even Marina was ashamed of Lee because when she took her to the hospital Lee was lying about that he didn't have a job at the time, which Lydia knew that he did have. He didn't want to pay for the services, and people at the hospital was asking him how does he pay for the apartment and he was telling them that, "My friends were helping me," and Marina just said something in Russian that Lydia remembers, "What a liar," you know, behind his back.
Mr. Liebeler. Did she say that so he could hear it?
Mrs. Ford. I think so, because she said it aloud.
Mr. Liebeler. And she said it in Russian?
Mrs. Ford. Yes; she did.
Mr. Liebeler. In front of Lydia Dymitruk?