Mrs. Ford. No; from Civil Liberties Union.
Mr. Liebeler. And so you translated that into Russian?
Mrs. Ford. That is right, I translated it into Russian.
Mr. Liebeler. Up to that point was Mrs. Paine the only person who discussed that subject with you.
Mrs. Ford. That is right.
Mr. Liebeler. Did you have any further discussions with Mrs. Paine or anybody else?
Mrs. Ford. We tried to find out about the Union and my husband called lawyers and friends of his who would know about it and called the Secret Service and FBI and nobody would tell us anything about it. They would send us somewhere else, refer it to someone else to find out, so we don't find out.
So, I just decided on my own not to go, just to translate.
Mr. Liebeler. Well now, what is this about going with them, what did Mrs. Paine ask you?
Mrs. Ford. She thought that maybe since I knew Marina she would rather confide in me more than just anyone like reporters or someone just from the Union would go there.