Mr. Dulles. May I ask, did you go out of curiosity rather than sympathy or rather how did you happen to go?

Mr. Paine. I am not in sympathy.

Mr. Dulles. So I gathered.

Mr. Paine. I have been to a number of rightist meetings and seminars in Texas. I was interested in seeing more communication between the right and the left; there isn't much liberal out there and so I wanted to be able to speak their language and know that their fears—and be familiar with their feelings and attitudes.

Mr. Liebeler. Was there any discussion at this meeting as far as you can recall of Mr. Stevenson's appearance in Dallas?

Mr. Paine. No; I don't believe there was any.

Mr. Liebeler. Was there any discussion of the policy of the Kennedy administration?

Mr. Paine. There was no discussion at that meeting. It was a 2- or 3-hour lecture on a movie by Welch, and then a young man gave a few more explanations about the organization. It was mostly an introductory meeting. I think for newcomers.

Mr. Liebeler. Telling them about the John Birch Society itself?

Mr. Paine. That is right.