Mr. Paine. No; he did not. I don't know that for a fact. I had assumed from his conversation that he had tried it but I gather that he did not like this organization.
Mr. Dulles. Did he say anything about having to leave the rifle at the club, that you couldn't take the rifle away from the club, or anything of that kind?
Mr. Paine. I assume that was true. He didn't mention it, he mentioned that a Soviet citizen could not possess a rifle.
Mr. Liebeler. Did he speak of any training that he might have received in connection with either a rifle or a shotgun while he was in the Soviet Union?
Mr. Paine. No; he didn't.
Mr. Liebeler. Did he indicate to you the degree of facility with which he used either of these weapons while he was in the Soviet Union?
Mr. Paine. No; he did not.
Mr. Liebeler. He—is there anything else he told you about this hunting club or this rifle or shotgun that you can remember now?
Mr. Paine. No; I am not particularly interested in rifles and hunting so that I didn't—it was an ideal opportunity—I think he did love hunting so I think it would have been an ideal way to reach him in a somewhat human way.
Mr. Dulles. You got no idea of how much time he was at the rifle club or what? Did it seem to be a frequent occupation?