Mr. Paine. No; I can't say I had any fruitful idea of whether he was a member of it. I assumed he was a member of it. He didn't say he was a member of it. I assumed he spoke with authority saying it was a paramilitary organization and somehow conveying the idea that he didn't like that aspect of it and, therefore, I assumed he didn't like it. He spoke only with pleasure of his hunting trip. He mentioned a hunting trip, I don't think he mentioned them in plural, which he had taken with some friends.
Mr. Liebeler. Do you remember any more details about that hunting trip?
Mr. Paine. We talked, this was within the first half hour, the talk was very brief.
Mr. Liebeler. Did he ever mention to you this hunting trip or anything relating to a rifle or shotgun in the Soviet Union at any later time?
Mr. Paine. No; I didn't know what time he was referring to.
Mr. Liebeler. I mean at any other time after the first meeting with you did he refer again to his activities in the Soviet Union?
Mr. Paine. I see.
Mr. Liebeler. In connection with this rifle?
Mr. Paine. No; that subject never came up again.
Mr. Liebeler. Did he tell you at this first meeting about his work in the Soviet Union?