Mr. Paine. Ruth apparently saw Marina this last weekend. We have some indications that people had gone between, chiefly Levine.

Mr. Dulles. You think money considerations had anything to do with this?

Mr. Paine. I think quite a lot—it will be borne out, between Ruth and Marina subsequently, I think they will find the difficulties. I think Thorne——

Mr. Dulles. What I have in mind is as to whether some of these other people thought that you and Ruth might intervene in as business manager or something of that kind between them, and the monetary considerations that were coming in to Marina.

Mr. Paine. We didn't know why. We have the feeling that Thorne was advising her not to speak to Ruth. Ruth is not interested in the money, but is interested in protecting her from the wolves, and so she thought, we both thought, there were some false stories being told to Marina in regard to Ruth.

Mr. Dulles. That is all.

The Chairman. Thank you very much, Mr. Paine.

Mr. Paine. Thank you, sir.

The Chairman. We will examine Mrs. Paine this afternoon at 2 o'clock.

(Whereupon, at 1:05 p.m., the President's Commission recessed.)