Mr. Kellerman. Ten, fifteen, no more; real parade speed.
Mr. Specter. How far ahead of you was the lead car at that time?
Mr. Kellerman. Again, it was four or five car lengths in front.
Mr. Specter. Do you know how far behind you the President's followup car was as you turned right onto Houston from Main Street?
Mr. Kellerman. No; I don't, but I am positive it was right on our rear wheels.
Mr. Specter. All right.
Now, as you turned left off Houston onto Elm, what is your best estimate of the speed of the President's automobile at that time?
Mr. Kellerman. As we turned onto Elm Street and the crowd, we were through the section of Dallas; we might have had—the driver picked it up because we were all through. Purely a guess, we could have been going at the most 25.
Mr. Specter. What would your estimate, your minimum estimate, of the speed be?
Mr. Kellerman. Fifteen.