Mr. Redlich. Would you describe that meeting?
Mr. Martin. Well, the first time I met her was we went over to the Paine's house to pick up some of Marina's belongings.
Mr. Redlich. Who is "we"?
Mr. Martin. John Thorne and I.
Mr. Redlich. Do you recall about when this was?
Mr. Martin. I guess it was about a week after she had moved in, maybe shorter, maybe sooner than that. There was not much said at all at that meeting. Then when she came out to the house she talked at length, but it was——
Mr. Redlich. There is another occasion when you say she came?
Mr. Martin. When she came to my house.
Mr. Redlich. That was the same occasion that you referred to earlier when she came to pick up a package?
Mr. Martin. To deliver a package.