Mr. Ball. Between Poydras and Lamar, closer to Lamar than to Poydras?
Mr. McWatters. Yes, sir.
Mr. Ball. And a man got on. Was it the same man?
Mr. McWatters. That was the same man who got on the bus that I picked up, in other words.
Mr. Ball. And the man you gave the transfer to?
Mr. McWatters. The man I gave the transfer to when the woman—in other words, when the man that got on Griffin Street there got off at the same place she did.
Mr. Ball. And he was only on the bus about 2 blocks?
Mr. McWatters. Two blocks was the only distance.
Mr. Ball. How long did it take you to go those 2 blocks?
Mr. McWatters. Now, he paid as far as from St. Paul Street. I made—there wasn't any traffic holding me up whatsoever, I come on right down to where I picked the man up there, in other words, about Field, and that is where the traffic was starting to back up to. So the best of my knowledge I would say it took me 3 or 4 minutes to get down there, so I will just have to say it was in the vicinity of around 12:40.