Mr. Ball. In other words, how long was the man on your bus, the man who got on, about Griffin and got off and you gave him the transfer, approximately?
Mr. McWatters. Well, he got on, and when he got on, I made that one block, and then the other, well, I would be safe in saying he wasn't on there 5 minutes.
Mr. Ball. And you think he got off or on around 12:40?
Mr. McWatters. 12:40 that is the best.
Mr. Ball. What time did you say he got on approximately?
Mr. McWatters. On the bus?
Mr. Ball. Yes.
Mr. McWatters. Well, I would say in the vicinity from where I left up there it would be probably it took me, I would say, 3 minutes to come, let's see, it would be Ervay, Akard and Field, that is about 3 blocks there where I left my time point which I would say just a rough estimation it would be with no traffic would be 2 or 3 minutes, I would say 3 minutes anyway.
So, it must have been somewheres 12:39 or—so.
Mr. Ball. When he got on the bus?