Mr. Ball. Put a fairly good sized circle around each shell. That is the way they were when you saw them, is that right?
Mr. Mooney. Yes, sir. I assume that this possibly could have been the first shot.
Mr. Ball. You cannot speculate about that?
Mr. Mooney. You cannot speculate about that.
Mr. Ball. Those were empty shells?
Mr. Mooney. Yes, sir.
Mr. Ball. They were turned over to Captain Fritz?
Mr. Mooney. Yes, sir; he was the first officer that picked them up, as far as I know, because I stood there and watched him go over and pick them up and look at them. As far as I could tell, I couldn't even tell what caliber they were, because I didn't get down that close to them. They were brass cartridges, brass shells.
Mr. Ball. Is this the position of the cartridges as shown on 510, as you saw them?
Mr. Mooney. Yes, sir. That is just about the way they were laying, to the best of my knowledge. I do know there was—one was further away, and these other two were relatively close together—on this particular area. But these cartridges—this one and this one looks like they are further apart than they actually was.