Mr. Ball. He was directly under. He told you as he got up from the window that he could hear the shells ejected from the gun?

Mr. Williams. Yes; he did.

Mr. Ball. After he made the statement that you mentioned, he thought it came from overhead, and you made some statement, did Jarman say anything?

Mr. Williams. I think Jarman, he—I think he moved before any of us. He moved towards us, and he said, "Man, somebody is shooting at the President." And I think I said again. "No bull shit." And then we all kind of got excited, you know, and, as I remember, I don't remember him saying that he thought the shots came from overhead. But we all decided we would run down to the west side of the building.

Mr. Ball. You ran down to the west side of the building?

Mr. Williams. Yes, sir.

Representative Ford. Ran down to the west side? You mean you were still on the fifth floor?

Mr. Williams. Yes; we were on the fifth floor, the east side of the building. We saw the policemen and people running, scared, running—there are some tracks on the west side of the building, railroad tracks. They were running towards that way. And we thought maybe—well, to ourself, we know the shots practically came from over our head. But since everybody was running, you know, to the west side of the building, towards the railroad tracks, we assumed maybe somebody was down there. And so we all ran that way, the way that the people was running, and we was looking out the window.

Mr. Ball. When the cement fell on your head, did either one of the men notice it and say anything about it?

Mr. Williams. Yes, sir. I believe Harold was the first one.