Mr. Ball. That is Hank Norman?

Mr. Williams. I believe he was the first one. He said "Man, I know it came from there. It even shook the building." He said, "You got something on your head." And then James Jarman said, "Yes, man, don't you brush it out." By that time I just forgot about it. But after I got downstairs I think I brushed it out anyway.

Mr. Ball. Jarman is called Junior?

Mr. Williams. Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball. Well, did Norman say anything about hearing the bolt of the rifle?

Mr. Williams. I don't remember him saying anything about it.

Mr. Ball. But you heard him say he could hear the cartridges?

Mr. Williams. I heard Harold Norman—pardon me, I thought you were saying James Jarman.

Mr. Ball. Did Norman say anything about the bolt?

Mr. Williams. Yes. He said he could hear the rifle, and it sounded like it was right above. He said he could hear the rifle being ejected, the shells hitting the floor.