Mr. Dulles. Said that?

Mr. Williams. Yes, sir; I believe that is what he said. Anyway, we knew he had been shot at.

Mr. Ball. After you left this corner window in the southwest corner that we have shown you the picture of as 488, where did you go?

Mr. Williams. Then we moved over to another window on the west side of the building.

Mr. Ball. Let's go back to the diagram of the fifth floor, 487, and you show me where that window was.

Mr. Williams. It was one of these windows, I believe it was this window here, I believe. Maybe it was this window. I would say this window.

Mr. Ball. All right. We will mark that Z—window Z.

Mr. Williams. Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball. And the other day, Friday, March 20th, when we were in Dallas, you three men went to that same window, didn't you?

Mr. Williams. Yes, sir.