Mr. Dulles. Was that to get a better view of the President's party in the car?

Mr. Williams. No, sir; I don't think—we knew the President had been shot at at that time. The car was gone, you know. It has speeded up and left. But the people, as I said before, the policemen and people were running towards the tracks. The tracks are at this side of the building. We wondered why they were running that way.

Mr. Dulles. How did you know the President was shot at this time?

Mr. Williams. We heard the shots, and we assumed somebody had shot him. And we decided to run down that way.

Representative Ford. Why didn't you go up to the sixth floor?

Mr. Williams. I really don't know. We just never did think about it. And after we had made this last stop, James Jarman said, "Maybe we better get the hell out of here." And so we just ran down to the fourth floor, and came on down. We never did think about it, going up to the sixth floor. Maybe it was just because we were frightened.

Mr. Dulles. Did you know the President had been hit?

Mr. Williams. Well, personally I did not know he had been hit, but I think Harold—I remember—I don't know whether he said or not—but I think he said he saw him slump. So from that I think we all assumed he had been shot at.

Mr. Dulles. One of the other two?

Mr. Williams. Yes, sir; I think it was.