Mr. Ball. Why?
Mr. Williams. You could not see the stairs from that point because this other—this is the stairway, and it has some shelves made out of some old wooden boxes. Those old wooden boxes come out to about right here. And they come out maybe 5 feet, even more than that, past the stairway. And that would block your view of the stairway from that point.
Mr. Ball. Mark it in there with your pencil.
Mr. Williams. These are the stairs. I would say the bookcase would come out like that.
Mr. Ball. The shelf we will mark "WX", both ends of the shelf. How high is the shelf?
Mr. Williams. Pretty high.
Mr. Ball. Does it go to the ceiling?
Mr. Williams. As I remember, they do not go exactly to the ceiling. But I am 6 feet, and they are way over me, I think.
Mr. Ball. Now, could you see all of the elevators from there?
Mr. Williams. Well, by me being the tallest, I saw——