Mr. Williams. Yes, sir.

Mr. Dulles. Was there any difference in the sound of those three explosions?

Mr. Williams. As far as I remember, there wasn't any difference in the sound. It was just the time between the sound.

Mr. McCloy. As I heard you testify, you said there was a larger pause between the first and the second shot than there was between the second and the third.

Mr. Williams. Yes, sir.

Mr. McCloy. Let me get this clear. Did you see the President crumple after the shot? Did you see the President hit?

Mr. Williams. Personally, I did not see him, because I was kind of jumping.

Mr. Dulles. Are there any other questions?

Thank you very much, and we appreciate your coming. We will recess at this time until 2 o'clock this afternoon.

(Whereupon, at 12:40 p.m., the President's Commission recessed.)