Mr. Norman. Yes.

Mr. Ball. And where did you put yourself in order to conduct the experiment?

Mr. Norman. In the same window. I may not have been in the same position but I was in the same window.

Mr. Ball. The same window?

Mr. Norman. Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball. And that window was open?

Mr. Norman. Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball. And the window, was the window on the sixth floor also open?

Mr. Norman. Yes, sir; they told me it was open. I didn't see it.

Mr. Ball. And a Secret Service man went upstairs with a rifle, didn't he?