Mr. Fritz. Yes, sir. I don't think I talked to him about his political beliefs until later.
Mr. Ball. Did you say anything to him about an attorney the first time you talked to him?
Mr. Fritz. Yes, sir; the first time. He asked about an attorney, and I told him he certainly could have an attorney any time he wanted it. I told him he could have an attorney any time he liked, any attorney he wanted. I told him, I said, we will do it. He said he wanted an attorney in New York. And he gave me his name, Mr. Abt, and he said that is who he wanted, and I told him he could have anyone he liked. He said, well, he knew about a case that he had handled some years ago, where he represented the people who had violated the Smith Act, and he said, "I don't know him personally, but that is the attorney I want."
He said, "If I can't get him then I may get the American Civil Liberties Union to get me an attorney."
Mr. Ball. Was there anything said about calling him on the telephone?
Mr. Fritz. A little bit later.
Mr. Ball. Not that time?
Mr. Fritz. Not that minute. A little bit later, he asked something else about an attorney and I said, "Did you call an attorney?" And he said, "You know I can't use the telephone." And I said, "Yes, you can; anybody can use a telephone." So, I told them to be sure to let him use a telephone and the next time I talked to him he thanked me for that, so I presume he called.
Mr. Ball. You don't know whether he called?
Mr. Fritz. I don't know whether he did or not.