Larrie was a member of the JBS, and Bill and I didn't like it, but we saw that he was out for himself as much as anything, and this was a way to help himself along anyway, both politically and financially. And he convinced us of the method to his madness. But as I said we wanted to move Larrie out when we found he was more JBS than he was CUSA, and he was willing to go along with them completely, and forget about the CUSA goals.

Representative Ford. Your allegiance was to CUSA?

Mr. Weissman. Right. In other words, I would have used the John Birch Society as a vehicle, as planned. But I would never have gone up on a soapbox to support them.

Mr. Dulles. Who were the members of the American Fact-Finding Committee, if any?

Mr. Weissman. Well, the members would be myself, Bill Burley, Larrie Schmidt, Joe Grinnan—just the people immediately involved.

Mr. Jenner. That was a name and solely a name?

Mr. Weissman. Solely a name.

Mr. Jenner. There was no such organization?

Mr. Weissman. None whatsoever.

Mr. Jenner. And you used it for convenience on this advertisement?