Mr. Brian. Going up?
Mr. Dulles. Yes.
Mr. Brian. No, sir; we didn't go up the stairway going up.
The Chairman. When you got up to the first floor by that stairway, are there other stairs leading up to the floors above that connect with this?
Mr. Brian. Yes, sir; you have to go around. This is just a narrow stairway going from the basement, it is probably, well, just a regular narrow staircase that goes up, straight up. After you get to the first floor the stairways widen out probably as wide as that window and go up half a floor and meet another landing and then go up to the third floor that way. They widen out.
Representative Ford. Was anybody with Mr. Hosty?
Mr. Brian. Not when we met him there; no, sir.
Representative Ford. When you got on the elevator, who was on the elevator?
Mr. Brian. It was full.
Mr. Dulles. Were there a lot of pressmen down there, no television——