Mr. Specter. And were you present when a man was placed in the same position in the Secret Service followup car as that in which President Kennedy sat in the Presidential car when the tests were simulated on May 24th of this year?

Mr. Kelley. I was.

Mr. Specter. Do you know the name of that individual?

Mr. Kelley. He was an FBI agent by the name of James W. Anderton.

Mr. Specter. And what was the height of Mr. Anderton?

Mr. Kelley. He was 72½ inches.

Mr. Specter. Do you know the height of Governor Connally?

Mr. Kelley. Governor Connally was 6 foot 4.

Mr. Specter. Was that the height of the Governor himself or the Governor's stand-in?

Mr. Kelley. It was my understanding that Governor Connally was—6 foot 2, I guess. The Governor's stand-in, Mr. Doyle Williams, was 6 foot 4.