Mr. Arce. I went outside.
Mr. Ball. With whom?
Mr. Arce. With Billy Lovelady and Mr. Shelley and I was out there with Junior.
Mr. Ball. Who is Junior?
Mr. Arce. I don't know his real name; I just know him by Junior.
Mr. Ball. Was Bonnie Ray Williams ever out there with you?
Mr. Arce. No, he stayed upstairs with Hank. Junior stayed up there but he was down a little while and I guess he went upstairs.
Mr. Ball. What about Givens?
Mr. Arce. He was down there with Shields, I guess—I mean Melvin—no, Carl, that's who he was with.
Mr. Ball. What about Jack Dougherty?