Mr. Arce. I am not too sure; it was about 10 minutes, somewhere around there. I am not too sure about that.
Mr. Ball. Did you see the President go by?
Mr. Arce. Yeah, I did. I seen him when he turned the corner and when he went down that underpass thing and I heard them shots and I couldn't see anything. There was a lot of people.
Mr. Ball. Where were you standing when you heard the shots?
Mr. Arce. I was standing in front of the Texas School Book Depository. I was on that grassy area part in front.
Mr. Ball. You were not on the sidewalk?
Mr. Arce. No, I was on the sidewalk, then I walked up to the grass to get a higher view and still couldn't see.
Mr. Ball. Did you hear shots?
Mr. Arce. Yeah.
Mr. Ball. How many?