Mr. Dougherty. Well, then immediately I heard a loud noise—it sounded like a car backfiring, and I came back down to the first floor, and I asked Eddie Piper, I said, "Piper, what was that?" I says, "Has the President been shot?" He said, "Yes."

Mr. Ball. You didn't say—did you say, "Has the President been shot?"—you told the FBI agent that you went down to the first floor and you saw a man named Eddie Piper and asked him if he heard a loud noise.

Mr. Dougherty. I asked him that too.

Mr. Ball. And Piper said he had heard three loud noises and told you that somebody had just shot the President; is that right?

Mr. Dougherty. That's right.

Mr. Ball. Who mentioned the fact that the President had been shot first—you or Eddie Piper?

Mr. Dougherty. Eddie Piper.

Mr. Ball. Did you say anything to Piper about the President being shot?

Mr. Dougherty. No, sir.

Mr. Ball. When you talked to Eddie Piper, did you know that the President had been shot?