Mr. Dillard. Yes.

Mr. Ball. And you heard the third shot. Now, the statement says that upon hearing the third shot, the car in which he was riding was stopped almost in front of the Texas School Book Depository Building.

Mr. Dillard. My car?

Mr. Ball. Yes.

Mr. Dillard. Yes.

Mr. Ball. Did you hear Bob Jackson of the Dallas Times-Herald exclaim "I see a rifle; it's up in the open window".

Mr. Dillard. Yes.

Mr. Ball. And Jackson pointed to the Texas School Book Depository located at Elm and Houston Streets?

Mr. Dillard. That's right.

Mr. Ball. And you looked up at the building and you did not see a rifle protruding from any window?