Mr. Ball. Was there anybody standing on the triple underpass?
Mr. Brown. On the triple underpass?
Mr. Ball. Yes.
Mr. Brown. Yes, sir; they had at least two officers.
Mr. Ball. Anybody but police officers?
Mr. Brown. Not that I know of. I didn't recall anyone.
Mr. Ball. What did you do after you heard the shots?
Mr. Brown. Well, let me see, by that time the escort as to the motorcycles, we could see them coming, the front part of the motorcade, I don't think they probably realized what happened; they had come on ahead. And then we saw the car coming with the President, and as it passed underneath me I looked right down and I could see this officer in the back; he had this gun and he was swinging it around, looked like a machinegun, and the President was all sprawled out, his foot on the back cushion. Of course, you couldn't conceive anything that happened; of course, we knew something had happened, but we couldn't conceive the fact it did.
Mr. Ball. Did you move out of there in any direction?
Mr. Brown. No, sir; we, well, we checked there; the area, we kept checking that area through there and, of course, there were people all over the place but we didn't allow anybody up on the railroad right-of-way through there.