Mr. Stern. Is he also an employee?
Mr. Holland. Yes; he is.
Mr. Stern. Were all the people there, as far as you know, at the time the Presidential motorcade——
Mr. Holland. Yes.
Mr. Stern. Came into view?
Mr. Holland. One more, if I can remember his name. One that run around the corner of the fence with me. He was right behind me—why in the world—he was one of the first ones around the fence when we run around the fence to what was happening.
Mr. Stern. Before we get to that, how about the police. How many police officers were on the overpass at the time?
Mr. Holland. There were two Dallas Police officers up there at that time.
Mr. Stern. Tell me if this is correct, Mr. Holland. At the time the Presidential motorcade arrived, to the best of your recollection, on the overpass there were two uniformed Dallas Police, and the following employees of the Terminal Co.: Yourself, Mr. Reilly, Mr. Dodd, Mr. Potter, Mr. Winburn, Mr. Johnson, Mr. Cowzert, and perhaps one other man?
Mr. Holland. That's right.