Mr. Holmes. I don't know who started the conversation, but it had gotten into "Do you have an attorney?" He said, "No."
"Well, do you want an attorney?"
And he said, "No." Then he said, "Well, I tried to get a fellow from New York." But he said he wasn't able to get hold of him.
And I think he is a Civil Liberties Union lawyer. He mentioned something about he looks after their interests in New York. I don't remember the name, but they discussed that.
Mr. Belin. Would it be something like Abt?
Mr. Holmes. Yes; short name. That could well be it.
Mr. Belin. Anything else? Did he ever ask for any other lawyer or for any lawyer?
Mr. Holmes. No.
Mr. Belin. Do you remember that while this was going on if the chief of police came to the office?
Mr. Holmes. Yes. Along toward the end of the interrogation several people kept milling around outside of Captain Fritz' office and I noticed the chief of police out there, and they would rap on the door, and once in a while crack the door and look in, and gave all the appearance of being impatient.