Mr. Truly. Well, the only person I can recall being there was Mr. Shelley.
Mr. Ball. And what is his position with the Texas School Book Depository?
Mr. Truly. He is manager of the miscellaneous department.
Mr. Ball. Was this in the open warehouse?
Mr. Truly. Yes; right at the front. Mr. Caster had placed the cartons on the counter near the front door and that's where the rifles were when I saw them, and I picked one up out of the cartons.
Mr. Ball. And were they employees of the Texas School Book Depository company on the first floor at that time?
Mr. Truly. Yes; they were—as I recall the time—that the boys had probably gone back to work and could have been walking around before they went in the shipping department.
Mr. Ball. That would have been about what time of the day?
Mr. Truly. I'd say around 1 o'clock—very close to it. It could have been a little after or a little before. The boys go back to lunch at 12:45, so there I'm not too clear.
Mr. Ball. What happened to these two rifles, Mr. Truly, that Mr. Caster got during the noon hour?