Mr. Truly. They were placed back in the carton and Mr. Caster carried them out of the lobby door with him. That's the last I saw them.

Mr. Ball. Did you ever see them again?

Mr. Truly. Never—never.

Mr. Ball. Did you ever see from that day until Friday, November 22, did you ever see those guns in the School Book Depository Building?

Mr. Truly. No, sir; I never did.

Mr. Ball. Now, you recall that in your testimony before the Commission you told them that at some time after the shooting, you advised Captain Fritz of the name of Lee Oswald and his address in Irving?

Mr. Truly. Yes, I did.

Mr. Ball. And in order to place the time of it, was it before or after the rifle had been found on the sixth floor?

Mr. Truly. I wouldn't know. I think it must have been around the time the rifle was found, because I was not on the sixth floor at that time, but when I told—let's go back a few minutes—pardon me—I told Chief Lumpkin a good many minutes after we came down from the roof and he went ahead and gave some orders to two or three policemen surrounding him and then said, "Let's go up and tell Captain Fritz."

Mr. Ball. Now, what did you tell Chief Lumpkin when you came down from the roof of the building?