Mr. Ball. Now, you heard that Tippit had been shot, didn't you?
Mr. Truly. Not after—until after I had told Chief Lumpkin and Captain Fritz and come back down to the first floor, then I learned that he had been shot. The first I learned of it—there was a young officer ran in the front door and told another officer, possibly a lieutenant, that there was an officer shot in Oak Cliff and that was all I knew at that time. I did not know that they had captured Oswald then. Later on a newspaper reporter told me.
Mr. Ball. Now, you say that you knew that Givens was not there afterwards?
Mr. Truly. I knew he wasn't there at the time of the shooting because I had seen him walk across the street—up the street.
Mr. Ball. Toward what?
Mr. Truly. Up Elm Street across Houston.
Mr. Ball. Toward Main—down toward Main?
Mr. Truly. I saw him walking on the north side of Elm, crossing Houston—on the north side of Elm crossing Houston. However, at that time I saw two other boys with him and I later learned, I believe, that it was James Jarman and possibly Harold Norman—there were two or three—they were all standing in the crowd close to myself and they started across Houston Street up Elm. I didn't see them turn over to the right across Elm.
Mr. Ball. Wait a minute—you saw Norman and Jarman with Givens in front of the Texas School Book Depository Building first, didn't you?
Mr. Truly. Right; sometime earlier—a good deal—a little while before the shooting—I believe they were the three.