Mr. O'Donnell. It was not the third shot. Whether it was the first or second, I would not know.

Mr. Specter. Do you think it could have been the second shot?

Mr. O'Donnell. Yes; I do. If I had to pick one of the two, I think it might have been the second shot. It seemed to be—but, again, it is a foggy recollection—it seemed to have been that his movement coincided—with such a slight difference of time that is just guesswork.

Mr. Specter. Did you observe any reaction of Governor Connally in the car?

Mr. O'Donnell. I saw the Governor turn toward the President. The President, in that period of time, had been—they were one right behind the other. And the only reason I would even notice it was when the President had slumped to the left, the Governor then turned, and he was in my view. Otherwise, he would not have been. But the President slumped over, and, therefore, the Governor just turned and I could see him. I had no knowledge that he had been hit at that time.

Mr. Specter. When did you get the first knowledge that he had been hit?

Mr. O'Donnell. When the third shot came. The President was hit. The motorcade accelerated. And one of the agents said, "The Governor has been hit, too."

Mr. Specter. Prior to the time that President Kennedy shifted to the left, then, could you see the Governor at all from your position?

Mr. O'Donnell. Depending on how each one moved, normally, no. The President was directly behind the Governor. But if the President was over to the right waving, then you could see the Governor.

Mr. Specter. On the President's left when the Governor——