Mr. Willis. Yes, sir; I had noticed before the President's arrival that there were spectators up there, but there were also policemen up there.
Mr. Liebeler. You did see policemen up there?
Mr. Willis. Yes, sir; there were definitely policemen up there among the spectators.
Mr. Liebeler. About how many spectators would you say were up there? Was there a big crowd?
Mr. Willis. No, sir; there was no big crowd in the area, actually. But I would say, and this is strictly a wild guess, maybe 2 dozen.
Mr. Liebeler. Did you see any evidence of any shots having been fired from that direction?
Mr. Willis. No, sir; there was no doubt in my mind. I saw people falling on the ground and police officers racing over toward a concrete wall.
Mr. Liebeler. Across the street from Elm Street?
Mr. Willis. Across the street from Elm Street on the same side as the School Book Depository, which goes down the hill toward the underpass, and the policemen started going over there, called to see if someone, evidently thinking it came from that direction, and then is when I started to ring this building. I knew it came from high above directly across the street from me, and that is the one thing I was absolutely positive about.
Mr. Liebeler. You made that judgment from the sound of the shots?