Mr. Walthers. People were laying down on this grass—women and men were laying on top of their children on the grass.
Mr. Liebeler. On either side of Main Street?
Mr. Walthers. Yes; and then someone, I don't know, I say someone—a lot of people was sitting there—but it must have been behind that fence—there's a fence right along here——
Mr. Liebeler. You are referring to the area immediately behind the No. 7 that appears on Commission Exhibit No. 354—there is a concrete structure there of some sort.
Mr. Walthers. It don't show on this, but since this picture was made, there's a fence—it may be there—it's a solid board fence along here.
Mr. Liebeler. Running along behind the concrete structure that faces Elm Street and is No. 7 on Commission Exhibit No. 354?
Mr. Walthers. And at that time I heard the shots as well as everybody else, but as we got over this fence, and a lot of officers and people were just rummaging through the train yards back in this parking area.
Mr. Liebeler. In the parking area down there? West of the Texas School Book Depository Building between the Texas School Book Depository and the railroad tracks?
Mr. Walthers. Yes; and the discussion came up among several of the officers, Were there any shots fired? And I said, "Well, they sounded like rifle shots to me." At the time no one knew—in our crowd they were sure the shots had been fired though because of the reports—we heard the noise, and I left then and went back up here and came back onto the street.
Mr. Liebeler. Up on Elm Street?