Mr. Sims. Of course, when he took the paraffin cast of his hands, he wasn't handcuffed?
Mr. Ball. But that was late that evening?
Mr. Sims. Yes; it was around—it was after dark, I believe.
Mr. Ball. Now, I'm talking about—only about the interrogation that commenced about 2:20 in the afternoon of November 22.
Mr. Sims. I just don't remember.
Mr. Ball. You don't remember changing the handcuffs?
Mr. Sims. No, sir; I don't.
Mr. Ball. How long was he in Captain Fritz' office?
Mr. Sims. Well, let's see, we first went in there at 2 and we stayed in there evidently—this says here that the Secret Service and the FBI took part in the interrogation of Oswald with Captain Fritz, and we took him down to the first showup at 4:05.
Mr. Ball. Then, would you say he was in Captain Fritz' office from about 2:20 until 4 o'clock?