Mr. Sims. Well, he had to be either in Captain Fritz' office or the interrogation room—that's the only two places that he was kept.

Mr. Ball. All right, do you have any memory of how long he was in Captain Fritz' office the first time for the interrogation?

Mr. Sims. No, sir; I don't recall if he stayed in there from 2:20 until showup time at 4:05 or not. He may have stayed in there all that time or he may have been put back in the interrogation room, which is right next door.

Mr. Ball. Where is the interrogation room from Captain Fritz' office?

Mr. Sims. It's in the same office, but just a different room—there's just a hall separating them.

Mr. Ball. And in the interrogation room, were you with Oswald?

Mr. Sims. Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball. You and Boyd?

Mr. Sims. Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball. When he was in the interrogation room for the first showup, did you ask him any questions?