Mr. Carroll. Yes—the firing pin looked like where the firing pin might have fallen on the cap.
Mr. Ball. It looked like the firing pin had fallen on the cap?
Mr. Carroll. That's right.
Mr. Ball. And did you see that with your naked eye or did you need a glass?
Mr. Carroll. Well, when I looked at it, it looked to me like it was just a real light indent.
Mr. Ball. That was without a glass?
Mr. Carroll. Yes.
Mr. Ball. Did you look at it as you were there in the personnel department?
Mr. Carroll. Yes, sir.
Mr. Ball. Was McDonald there that day?