Mr. Carroll. I'm sure he was—I don't actually recall him sitting there. He was there most of the time.
Mr. Ball. Did you see McDonald make a mark on the gun?
Mr. Carroll. Yes; I saw him make a mark.
Mr. Ball. When was this done?
Mr. Carroll. It was up in the personnel police office.
Mr. Ball. At this meeting that you were just describing?
Mr. Carroll. Yes; when we were all in there together.
Mr. Ball. And tell me briefly who was present when you saw McDonald make the mark on the gun?
Mr. Carroll. Well, let's see—there was myself, Mack, I think Ray Hawkins was there, and I believe Hutson was there, and I believe Bentley and Lyons had already gone out to have their feet checked, and I don't recall whether Captain Westbrook was in there at the time or not. There were so many people—I would have to kind of explain that—I know it sounds vague, but there were so many people in and out of there and there were about no less than anywhere from half a dozen to a dozen newspaper reporters in and out and they were bringing in mikes and it was just a big mess of confusion. You couldn't just sit down and detail this thing and say this man was at this particular spot at this time. It was so jumbled up there.
Mr. Ball. Whom did you give the gun to finally?