Mr. Liebeler. How old is he?

Mr. Vinson. Three.

Mr. Liebeler. While you were in attendance at the Lily B. Clayton School, did you know another student by the name of Lee Oswald?

Mr. Vinson. I did.

Mr. Liebeler. Can you remember when you first met him?

Mr. Vinson. No.

Mr. Liebeler. Why don't you tell us everything that you can in your own words about what you remember about Lee Oswald as you knew him in the second grade?

Mr. Vinson. Well, I have no idea when I first saw him or actually became acquainted with him. The best I remember, he was there when I got there, and it was my understanding that he had already been there before I got there.

In other words, all the other kids knew him from the previous year.

The thing that stands out most in my mind about him is that when we would go outside for unsupervised play, when we weren't engaged in games supervised by the teacher, where we were just turned loose and allowed to do what we wanted to, we would break down into little groups, and I remember the boys called them gangs.