Mr. Liebeler. Do you have any records relating to the seminar?
Dr. Hartogs. No; there are never any records, never anything written down; it is purely informal.
Mr. Liebeler. The only writings that would have been at the seminar would have been the reports that had been previously prepared by you and by the other members of the Youth House staff; is that correct?
Dr. Hartogs. Right.
Mr. Liebeler. Do you recall what recommendation you made to the court in respect of Oswald?
Dr. Hartogs. If I can recall correctly, I recommended that this youngster should be committed to an institution.
Mr. Liebeler. What type of institution, do you recall?
Dr. Hartogs. No; that I don't recall. No.
Mr. Liebeler. But you are quite clear in your recollection that you recommended that he be institutionalized immediately because of the personality pattern disturbance; is that correct?
Dr. Hartogs. Yes; that is right. That I remember; yes.