Mr. Jenner. That's 15 by 9.

Mrs. Bates. Well, I am sure, as I remember it—of course, now, this was some time ago—it was approximately 10 by 14 or 10 by 15—and it looks like what I use.

Mr. Jenner. And it had a flap on it?

Mrs. Bates. Uh-huh. Just a regular seal at the top. I think they are Carrollton Clasp or something like that.

He said that he had notes that he had smuggled out of Russia. And I looked up at him kinda surprised. I said, "Have you been to Russia?"

He said, "Yes, ma'am. I just got back." And that he had smuggled these notes out of Russia under his clothes, next to his skin.

Mr. Jenner. We fixed the time of this inquiry—didn't we?

Mrs. Bates. Yes; June 18. I mean, when he first came in my office.

Mr. Jenner. 1962?

Mrs. Bates. Uh-huh.