Mr. Liebeler. Would you tell us briefly the circumstances surrounding the second meeting with Oswald?
Mr. Paine. Well, Ruth had invited Marina to come and have her baby early in the summer when she knew that she was pregnant, to come have her baby, if she wished, at our house, where she would have the help of another woman who could speak Russian. Ruth stopped by from her visit on the east coast, stopped on her way back to Texas, stopped in New Orleans to see them, and found that Lee was out of work again, and picked up Marina at that time and brought her back to Dallas which was the end of September, and Marina then and her child stayed there and had another child, and stayed there until the assassination. And about a week later Marina was there for about a week before Lee called up, and I guess Lee came out.
Mr. Liebeler. Were you there when he came out?
Mr. Paine. I don't remember. I would come normally, I was not living at the house at the time, and I would normally appear on, regularly on, Fridays, and generally some other day in the week, I think it was a Wednesday, Tuesday or Wednesday, for supper.
So I would have seen him if it was a Friday but I don't happen to recall the particular occasion. I think perhaps I wasn't there because I recall Ruth telling me how glad Marina was to see him or hear his voice on the telephone.
Mr. Liebeler. You and your wife were separated at that time?
Mr. Paine. Yes.
Mr. Liebeler. Can you tell us approximately when you were first separated?
Mr. Paine. Oh, we have been living apart about a year, I suppose.
Mr. Liebeler. At that time, you mean in October?