Mr. Liebeler. Did you notice the person, this third person?
Mr. Paine. No; I didn't.
Mr. Liebeler. Was he an elderly person?
Mr. Paine. Yes.
Mr. Liebeler. Do you know a Reverend Helligas?
Mr. Paine. Yes.
Mr. Liebeler. This was not him?
Mr. Paine. No.
Mr. Liebeler. Did you observe Oswald speak with Reverend Helligas that evening at the meeting?
Mr. Paine. No; I didn't.