Mr. Liebeler. When she was home learning Russian from Marina?
Mr. Paine. When Marina was there to keep her company. She would go mad with boredom, I would think. So that it—we were somewhat saddened, or I think Ruth was, I think we shared—Ruth, of course, didn't want to stand in the way of Marina and Lee if they were happy together, but would have been glad to see Marina break away and make her own way. And she was a nice companion for Ruth.
Mr. Liebeler. Did you have any impression of how Marina and Ruth got along together, what they did with their time during the day, that sort of thing?
(Discussion off the record.)
Mr. Liebeler. Mr. Paine, you mentioned before these curtain rods that were in your garage. Can you tell us approximately how many curtain rods there were in the garage when you last saw them and tell us when you last saw them?
Mr. Paine. I saw them quite recently, 2 weeks ago.
Mr. Liebeler. How many curtain rods were there then?
Mr. Paine. There might be as many as four.
Mr. Liebeler. Were there ever any more than that?
Mr. Paine. I don't believe so. These were normally up on the shelf above the bench, and for some reason, they recently, I had to take them down, or something like that.