Mr. Jenner. The views separately of George De Mohrenschildt, and then his wife, Jean.

Mr. Raigorodsky. Well, would you believe me if I tell you that after all this time, I do not know the political views of George De Mohrenschildt?

Mr. Jenner. Tell us about him, what kind of a person is he? He seems from some of our information to be reckless, to make nonsense at times, he appears to have traveled extensively in Europe, Mexico, Haiti, the Dominican Republic; he is a man who has provoked or seems to seek to provoke others into argument by making outlandish statements. We would like to know something from you as a—if I may use the expression but in a sense of compliment—a member of the "Old Guard," and you have had some contact with this man for 17 years now—what is he or what makes him tick?

He had contact with the Oswalds, we haven't yet talked with him, and we are seeking to get all the information we can about this man, his personality, his habits, his business interests, his contacts with you—political views even if they are stated in supposed jest, and the political views of his wife, Jeanne, who is tolerant? Is he just a character?

Mr. Raigorodsky. That's a question. You see, talking about, and believe me, that's the only time—first of all, I've got George De Mohrenschildt to become a member of the Petroleum Club.

Mr. Jenner. What is the Petroleum Club?

Mr. Raigorodsky. It is the Petroleum Club, Dallas Petroleum Club.

Mr. Jenner. Did you seek to do it for him?

Mr. Raigorodsky. No.

Mr. Jenner. He was a man of grace at the club?