Mr. Jenner. Using it—sighting it?
Mr. Tobias. No.
Mr. Jenner. Was there ever an occasion when you noticed that there had been brought near the premises or on it or in his possession a package?
Mr. Tobias. No; I never did see it because he always used his back door and I was over on the other side.
Mr. Jenner. If you will pardon me—a package that to you you would recognize as a rifle?
Mr. Tobias. No.
Mr. Jenner. That possibly was a rifle?
Mr. Tobias. No.
Mr. Jenner. Or, a bunch of curtain rods or window shades or something of that nature?
Mr. Tobias. No. No; I've never seen nothing like that. I don't even remember the parcel post man ever leaving anything there—a package or anything. I never was in his apartment but twice, I don't think, while he lived there. I went in there with the exterminators twice, once a month, and we exterminated the place for cockroaches, that's one thing we don't like around here, and, of course, I had to get her permission to go in there.