Mr. Pena. Because he does as much.

Mr. Liebeler. As much?

Mr. Pena. Yes.

Mr. Liebeler. Why does he dislike the United States? Has he ever told you?

Mr. Pena. No; but the way he talks, that the United States didn't help to overthrow Castro, and he can go over there and take over.

Mr. Liebeler. Is that the basis for Mr. Bringuier's bad feeling towards the United States, that we haven't done anything to overcome the Castro regime?

Mr. Pena. Well, the way he talks to me, he hates the United States as much as he hates Russia. That's what I told you, what he said, more than a dozen times. And if that is not true, let him take a lie detector test and find out whether that is true or not true.

Mr. Liebeler. Did you tell Mr. Bringuier about having seen Oswald in the bar?

Mr. Pena. Yes; we was talking about that day. You see, I did like very, very much Mr. Kennedy.

Mr. Liebeler. You did or did not?