Mr. Jenner. Up to this incident when this knife pulling incident occurred, how had your relations with Lee been?
Mr. Pic. Been very good, sir. He and I had gone on all these excursions throughout New York City, and I tried to show him what I could, and spend as much time as I could with him.
Mr. Jenner. You found him to have—he was interested in that sort of thing?
Mr. Pic. Yes, sir; he loved to go to the Museum of Natural History, anything like that he liked.
Mr. Jenner. Did you speak to him about this relationship he appeared to have with his mother in which he minded her or not as he saw fit and did as he wished?
Mr. Pic. Not until the knife pulling incident.
Mr. Jenner. And you did discuss that subject with him on that occasion?
Mr. Pic. I attempted to, sir.
Mr. Jenner. Did you attempt to do it thereafter when you saw him from time to time?
Mr. Pic. Sir, he would have nothing to do with me thereafter.