Mr. Thornley. Then I wasn't there; no.

Mr. Jenner. Did you hear about it?

Mr. Thornley. No; I didn't. I didn't hear about it until after the assassination.

Mr. Jenner. Did you ever hear any of those tapes?

Mr. Thornley. I heard part of one of them after the assassination, once again.

Mr. Jenner. Did that part include his effort to distinguish between Marxism and democracy in response to a question put to him by either Mr. Stuckey or one of the other participants?

Mr. Thornley. That is exactly what he was talking about at the time. I happened to be standing in the television station in New Orleans and he was saying, and I just got a snatch of it, I was passing through the room or something; and he was saying, "Well, there are many Marxist countries in the world today."

Mr. Jenner. This was by way of his answering a question as to what was the distinction between Marxism and communism?

Mr. Thornley. Yes; he was saying there are many non-Communist Marxist countries in the world today and he was definitely making a distinction between Marxism and communism.

Mr. Jenner. But all he did was to cite the countries. He didn't attempt to make the distinction.